Re: Re: TSA pet peeves
By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 19 2026 01:34 pm

Yep, that's often where the best food is found all over the world - in the little out-of-the-way "hole-in-the-wall" places.

Agreed. I went to this one "hole-in-the-wall" pizza place in Madeira Beach, Florida, and I mean, I'm a Wisconsinite; we pride ourselves on our pizzas, so perhaps I am guilty of treason when I say that was the best pizza I ever had. I'm also a bit of a pizza connoisseur myself, if you can understand that.

With all due respect to Will Rogers, I never met a pizza I didn't like :)

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Toadster wrote to Gamgee <=-

Agreed. I went to this one "hole-in-the-wall" pizza place in Madeira Beach, Florida, and I mean, I'm a Wisconsinite; we pride ourselves on
our pizzas,

Interesting - I did not know that. What characterizes a Wisconsin
pizza? Thick crust, thin crust?

I'm from California, we have to borrow other state's pizzas. Otherwise,
we end up with a gluten-free crust white pizza with no tomato sauce,
pesto and ricotta cheese. And artichokes.





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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Toadster on Sat Mar 21 2026 09:49 am

I'm from California, we have to borrow other state's pizzas. Otherwise, we end up with a gluten-free crust white pizza with no tomato sauce, pesto and ricotta cheese. And artichokes.

That sounds like something that could be from Oregon too.. There's a pizza chain in my area called Pizza Schmizza that makes some unique pizzas similar to that. Also, I recall an episode of the TV show "Portlandia" that highlighted the way some people like to make sure their food is organic and raised well, with customers wanting to go see the farm where the farm where the chickens are raised for the restaurant they're visiting.

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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Toadster on Sat Mar 21 2026 09:49 am

Agreed. I went to this one "hole-in-the-wall" pizza place in Madeira
Beach, Florida, and I mean, I'm a Wisconsinite; we pride ourselves on our
pizzas,

Interesting - I did not know that. What characterizes a Wisconsin pizza? Thick crust, thin crust?

I'm from California, we have to borrow other state's pizzas. Otherwise, we end up with a gluten-free crust white pizza with no tomato sauce, pesto and ricotta cheese. And artichokes.

I had to go for training in Chicago late 90's, the Chicago Pizza was pretty good, thick crust but the crust was very well done.
IMHO the crust made the pizza.

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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: Denn to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Mar 21 2026 01:34 pm

I had to go for training in Chicago late 90's, the Chicago Pizza was pretty good, thick crust but the crust was very well done. IMHO the crust made the pizza.

I think Chicago is known for deep dish pizza, isn't it? I enjoy that sometimes, but thick crust on a pizza isn't my favorite.. I tend to prefer a thin crust on a pizza. With a thick crust, I feel like there's too much bread.

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On 21 Mar 2026, Denn said the following...

Re: Re: Pizzas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Toadster on Sat Mar 21 2026 09:49 am

I'm from California, we have to borrow other state's pizzas. Otherwis end up with a gluten-free crust white pizza with no tomato sauce, pes and ricotta cheese. And artichokes.

I had to go for training in Chicago late 90's, the Chicago Pizza was pretty good, thick crust but the crust was very well done.
IMHO the crust made the pizza.

yeah.. it's imo pretty easy to tell that Chicago's pizza is definitely related to various pies, quiche, etc and not what became known as pizza (italian flat breads that later included pizza sauce when previously there was none.. and possibly no cheese either!)

it basically feels like a desert, especially if the sauce is super sweet, with a little cake for the ingredients to sit on

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On 21 Mar 2026, Nightfox said the following...

I think Chicago is known for deep dish pizza, isn't it? I enjoy that sometimes, but thick crust on a pizza isn't my favorite.. I tend to prefer a thin crust on a pizza. With a thick crust, I feel like there's too much bread.

i've thought about this a bit and to me there are three types of pizza

new york/pseudo-new york/"generic" - basically a race to the top of the bottom. you don't usually complain about these so much unless you paid the good price for pizza that should be on the list further below..

deep dish or detroit - spend the money and get a nice one once in a while.. don't eat lunch that day. not embarassing to eat with a fork sometimes ;) also seems to be the only one they can accidentally burn the heck out of and it can still be awesome

little caesar's or gas station - this is a different kind of food. so many times i've visited places that "fixed" their pizza.. better ingredients and all that, and it goes from the top of this junk food pizza list to the bottom of the new york list above..

i can usually eat all three of these in the same week without being "bored" with pizza

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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: Nightfox to Denn on Sat Mar 21 2026 04:51 pm

I think Chicago is known for deep di > pizza, isn't it? I enjoy that sometimes, but thick crust on a pizz > isn't my favorite.. I tend to prefe > thin crust on a pizza. With a thick > crust, I feel like there's too much
bread.

A lot of cats I've met from Chicago
despair of the fact that they're
known for deep-dish; I've heard it
said that it is a tourist pizza.


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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: Nightfox to Denn on Sat Mar 21 2026 04:51 pm

I think Chicago is known for deep dish pizza, isn't it? I enjoy that

As a matter of fact, they are. I went to Chicago and had one of their pizzas once. It was pretty good, but it is definitely not a thin crust, and that does seem to be the trend these days. The place where I had the pizza actually had one of Michael Jordan's old jerseys hanging on the wall. Like I said, I'm a connoisseur of pizzas.

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"Portlandia" that highlighted the way some people like to make sure
their food is organic and raised well, with customers wanting to go see the farm where the farm where the chickens are raised for the
restaurant they're visiting.

That was the premiere. I've been wanting to re-watch it.

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Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I had to go for training in Chicago late 90's, the Chicago Pizza was pretty good, thick crust but the crust was very well done.
IMHO the crust made the pizza.

I worked with a consultant from New Jersey who was rushing to catch his
flight back. Ordered a chicago style slice thinking he could fold it
and eat while running through the airport, not realizing he'd need to
sit down with a knife and a fork!

I never understood the fixation with New York-style pizza until I went
to the Jersey shore. Went to a boardwalk, got a slice of pepperoni, and
the crust somehow was soft but crispy so you could fold it while
eating. New York bagels, too - we don't do them justice out here.





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Vilenihilist wrote to Nightfox <=-

A lot of cats I've met from Chicago
despair of the fact that they're
known for deep-dish; I've heard it
said that it is a tourist pizza.

My San Francisco friends serve clam chowder in a bowl, not a hollowed
out loaf of sourdough bread.

You can take the loaf home and put it in the dishwasher to use again -
or so I've heard.



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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Toadster on Sat Mar 21 2026 09:49 am

That sounds like something that could be from Oregon too.. There's a pizza chain in my area called Pizza Schmizza that makes some unique pizzas similar to that. Also, I recall an episode of the TV show "Portlandia" that highlighted the way some people like to make sure their food is organic and raised well, with customers wanting to go see the farm where the farm where the chickens are raised for the restaurant they're visiting.

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Schmizza's OK. I wonder if they're still serving their Alligator pizza. Personally, I miss the PNW style pizza from back in the day like at Pietro's or Sunshine. Fultano's on the coast is my favorite thin PNW style pizza. Then there's Nona Emilia's in Aloha, not PNW style, but a different kind of thick crust I've never found anywhere else.. Friday nights at my friend's house was always Nona's night.

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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: dexxalex to Nightfox on Sun Mar 22 2026 03:28 pm

Personally, I miss the PNW style pizza from back in the day like at Pietro's or Sunshine. Fultano's on the coast is my favorite thin PNW style pizza. Then there's Nona Emilia's in Aloha, not PNW style, but a different kind of thick crust I've never found anywhere else..

Pietro's is still around, at least at one or two locations, as far as I know. I believe there's still a Pietro's in Milwaukie.

Also, there's a pizza restaurant in Portland called Pizza Baron that makes pizza that I think is very similar to Pietro's. I went there a couple months ago to get one of their combination pizzas, and I really enjoyed it.

I also really like Nonna Emilia's too. Lately when I go there, I've usually been getting some of their pasta dishes, but I've been wanting to get one of their pizzas again.

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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 09:31 am

You can take the loaf home and put > in the dishwasher to use again -
or so I've heard.

Now that would be something. Imagine
the food poisoning you could inflict
upon yourself. It would be glorious.


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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Toadster on Sat Mar 21 2026 09:49 am

Interesting - I did not know that. What characterizes a Wisconsin pizza? Thick crust, thin crust?

You know, I never really gave much thought to that. I guess Rocky Rococo's started here, and they were "pan-style" pizza. Other than that, I guess I was just born and raised here and whatever my first impressions of pizza were, that's what I go by.
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Hey Toadster!

On Thu, 28 May 2026 21:12:33 , you wrote:

Re: Re: Pizzas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Toadster on Sat Mar 21 2026 09:49 am

Interesting - I did not know that. What characterizes a Wisconsin
pizza? Thick crust, thin crust?

I wonder if PF replied to a voting message here? I didn't see this reply, or the original message for some reason, although I do have voting messages disabled. I wouldn't think I would miss a reply to a voting message, though. *shrug*

You know, I never really gave much thought to that. I guess Rocky
Rococo's started here, and they were "pan-style" pizza. Other than that,
I guess I was just born and raised here and whatever my first
impressions of pizza were, that's what I go by.

I've also grown up in Wisconsin, and I don't think there's really anything that could be considered "Wisconsin style" when it comes to pizza. Even Rocky Rococo's is kind of a Detroit style pizza, I suppose.

Local bars around here usually offer a thin crust variant, and then there's a bunch of terrible chains.

We can definitely claim beer brats and cheese curds, though! ;)

Regards,
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We can definitely claim beer brats and cheese curds, though! ;)

The brats maybe, but I think Canada might have something to say
about the curds... or, at least, how they should be served. ;)



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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: Mike Powell to Accession on Fri May 29 2026 08:38 pm

We can definitely claim beer brats and cheese curds, though! ;)

The brats maybe, but I think Canada might have something to say about the curds... or, at least, how they should be served. ;)

Poutine FTW

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Hey Mike!

On Sat, 30 May 2026 01:38:00 , you wrote:

The brats maybe, but I think Canada might have something to say
about the curds... or, at least, how they should be served. ;)

Wisconsin is bordered to Canada. They stole it from us. :)

Regards,
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Accession wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Hey Mike!

On Sat, 30 May 2026 01:38:00 , you wrote:

The brats maybe, but I think Canada might have something to say
about the curds... or, at least, how they should be served. ;)

Wisconsin is bordered to Canada. They stole it from us. :)

Wisconsin is bordered by Illinois to the south, Minnesota to the west, Lake Michigan to east, and Lake Superior and Michigan U.P. to the north. Have to swim halfway across Superior to get to Canadian border. Don't think your geography works. Besides, is Quebec really Canada? LOL.
As to serving, fresh from the vat, still warm with their squeaky richness.





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Mike Powell wrote to Accession <=-

The brats maybe, but I think Canada might have something to say
about the curds... or, at least, how they should be served. ;)

I went on a whirlwind business trip to Port Hardy a few years back, I
was administering systems at wind farms and we had a big one up there.
Didn't get much time to sight-see, but did get a chance to try poutine
on the ferry from Vancouver to the island...

Now I get it.



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Hey John!

On Sat, 30 May 2026 10:08:56 , you wrote:

Have to swim halfway across Superior to get to Canadian border.

And? I would think it's close enough to avoid someone's superiority complex (seeing as though it was an ongoing joke about cheese curds - to which I was blatantly trying to take any unclaimed credit for before the truth came out), but alas... I was wrong.

Don't think your geography works.

Noted. Thank you for joining in the conversation to add your two cents.

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Hey poindexter!

On Sat, 30 May 2026 12:47:41 , you wrote:

Didn't get much time to sight-see, but did get a chance to try poutine
on the ferry from Vancouver to the island...

Now I get it.

I've tried poutine once, and it wasn't in Canada. It was at some sort of Irish bar in Minneapolis, where parents went during a break in our daughter's volleyball tournament.

I was leary about ordering it, seeing as though it was .. an Irish bar in Minnesota, but we were pleasantly surprised with it. It had brisket, cheese curds, and a dark brown gravy that was pretty damn good, and well seasoned.

I get it, too. ;)

Regards,
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Wisconsin is bordered to Canada. They stole it from us. :)

Wisconsin is bordered by Illinois to the south, Minnesota to the west, Lake Michigan to east, and Lake Superior and Michigan U.P. to the north. Have to swim halfway across Superior to get to Canadian border. Don't think your geography works. Besides, is Quebec really Canada? LOL.
As to serving, fresh from the vat, still warm with their squeaky richness.

While you are correct about the US states Wisconsin borders, and that WI doesn't actually border Canada (because of Michigan's waters), Quebec does not border Lake Superior. Having driven the Circle Tour I can confirm that, on the Canadian side, Superior is surrounded by Ontario. ;)


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I went on a whirlwind business trip to Port Hardy a few years back, I
was administering systems at wind farms and we had a big one up there. Didn't get much time to sight-see, but did get a chance to try poutine
on the ferry from Vancouver to the island...

Now I get it.

I shall have to admit that it is not something that appealed to me so I did not try it while in Canada in 2017. I did try "real" Canadian Bacon, and I did try out Tim Horton's. I also tried out a Polish restaurant in Thunder Bay, where I had my first perogies (yum!), and an Indian restaurant in the Soo.

The Polish place also had homemade polish sausage. Also delicious!



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Mike Powell wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Bacon, and I did try out Tim Horton's. I also tried out a Polish restaurant in Thunder Bay, where I had my first perogies (yum!), and an Indian restaurant in the Soo.

San Francisco is a melting pot, and the Richmond district, where I
lived for many years, had a neightborhood with a Russian Orthodox
church and a big Russian/Polish population. A fresh perogie is a thing
of beauty.

Within a 10-block radius, you'd find a polish deli, one of the best
dive tiki bars in the area (Trad'r Sam), Oaxacan/Mexican food (Tommy's)
Dim Sum and a wonderful hole-in-the-wall sushi joint.



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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: John Richards to MRO on Tue Jun 02 2026 06:44 pm

sorry

Quote so we know what you're sorry for.
Nobody has ever appologized to MRO for anything.
Although there was that one time I said "Sorry you're such a dick MRO", but that was not an appology.

He is apologizing to MRO for replying to a message and quoting, and responding to, something I said back to MRO (in half of the mssage). The last half of his reply, IIRC, was to something MRO actually said.



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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: John Richards to MRO on Tue Jun 02 2026 06:44 pm

sorry

Quote so we know what you're sorry for.
Nobody has ever appologized to MRO for anything.
Although there was that one time I said "Sorry you're such a dick
MRO", but that was not an appology.

|10D|14enn

LOL.
Had sent a reply to him by mistake that should have went elsewhere.
I was apologizing for my mis-step.






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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: Mike Powell to Accession on Fri May 29 2026 08:38 pm

The brats maybe, but I think Canada might have something to say about the curds... or, at least, how they should be served. ;)

And how might that be?
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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: Nightfox to Mike Powell on Fri May 29 2026 12:28 pm

The brats maybe, but I think Canada might have something to say about t curds... or, at least, how they should be served. ;)

Poutine FTW

Not sure if you'd call this the "American version", but go to Denny's and get an order of fries "covered and smothered". By default it's with the white gravy, but you could ask for brown gravy. It's that with cheese and onions.
I usually get it without onions.

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Not sure if you'd call this the "American version", but go to Denny's
and get an order of fries "covered and smothered".

Anyone knows - you don't go to Denny's, you end up there!

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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: phigan to Nightfox on Tue Jun 09 2026 10:04 pm

Not sure if you'd call this the "American version", but go to Denny's and get an order of fries "covered and smothered". By default it's with the white gravy, but you could ask for brown gravy. It's that with cheese and onions. I usually get it without onions.

The only Dennys we have in town (that I've found) is attached to a truck stop and their prices are WAY out of line. We went there the other night and will NOT be going back there again.
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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: phigan to Nightfox on Tue Jun 09 2026 10:04 pm

Poutine FTW

Not sure if you'd call this the "American version", but go to Denny's and get an order of fries "covered and smothered". By default it's with the white gravy, but you could ask for brown gravy. It's that with cheese and onions. I usually get it without onions.

I like Denny's, though the one that was nearest me closed years ago. There are still a couple in the metro area where I am though.

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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Wed Jun 10 2026 06:58 am

phigan wrote to Nightfox <=-

Not sure if you'd call this the "American version", but go to Denny's and get an order of fries "covered and smothered".

Anyone knows - you don't go to Denny's, you end up there!

:)

The last time I went into a Denny's was approx 45 years ago with my first wife. We were eating while she filled out a job app to work there. The manager was sitting at the table with us talking about the job. I was sitting across the table from my wife watching a 1" roach crawl on her.

That was my last trip to Denny's...

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Not sure if you'd call this the "American version", but go to Denny's and get an order of fries "covered and smothered".

Anyone knows - you don't go to Denny's, you end up there!

:)

Sort of like White Castle if you end up there after midnight. ;)


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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: Bf2k+ to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jun 11 2026 02:28 am

The last time I went into a Denny's was approx 45 years ago with my first wife. We were eating while she filled out a job app to work there. The manager was sitting at the table with us talking about the job. I was sitting across the table from my wife watching a 1" roach crawl on her.

That was my last trip to Denny's...

Normally I don't let one bad experience ruin the whole thing for me. I've been to Denny's plenty of times and have always enjoyed it and haven't noticed cockroaches or anything.

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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: Nightfox to Bf2k+ on Thu Jun 11 2026 04:04 pm

The last time I went into a Denny's was approx 45 years ago with my first
wife. We were eating while she filled out a job app to work there. The
manager was sitting at the table with us talking about the job. I was
sitting across the table from my wife watching a 1" roach crawl on her.

That was my last trip to Denny's...

Normally I don't let one bad experience ruin the whole thing for me. I've been to Denny's plenty of times and have always enjoyed it and haven't noticed cockroaches or anything.

The only thing I know about Denny's is that a friend of mine in middle school said he got food poisoning there once and I've been scared of it ever since. xD

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Re: Re: Pizzas
By: VHSFuture to Nightfox on Mon Jun 15 2026 04:31 pm

The only thing I know about Denny's
that a friend of mine in middle scho
said he got food poisoning there onc
and I've been scared of it ever sinc

That can happen anywhere. I've gotten
food poisoning from McDonald's, among
other places. I wouldn't say stay away
from all Denny's because one guy got
sick once ;).

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