• ai shit from bbs people.

    From Outlaw@VERT/OUTWEST to Digital Man on Sunday, July 05, 2026 20:34:48
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Sun Jul 05 2026 02:39 pm

    There seems to be a LOT of bbs people using ai to make things. And
    they don't give credit to AI. Just by the interfaces and graphics I
    can tell it's AI.

    I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed.

    I agree, AI is just another tool at our disposal.
    I mostly use AI to find things quicker, or Recently I had AI help create a windows background.
    I actually a few months back, wrote a song about the BBS life in the 80's and 90's, I then had AI as my band and used an AI voice to sing it.
    It turned out pretty good.

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Digital Man on Monday, July 06, 2026 18:54:00
    On 05 Jul 2026, Digital Man said the following...

    I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying
    "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used
    the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed. --

    ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?

    you're full of bad takes regarding AI. did you get in on some nvidia/amd/etc stock early?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to fusion on Monday, July 06, 2026 16:12:36
    Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: fusion to Digital Man on Mon Jul 06 2026 06:54 pm

    On 05 Jul 2026, Digital Man said the following...

    I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed. --

    ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?

    In the realm of software development (and I imagine many other realms), yes. At the last 3 firms I've worked, if a software developer ("engineer") wouldn't use AI tools, they were gone.

    you're full of bad takes regarding AI. did you get in on some nvidia/amd/etc stock early?

    Nope, just a professional using the available tools to get the best job done, as is expected of me.
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  • From Hisacro@VERT/X4D2ORG to All on Monday, July 06, 2026 14:37:37
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2026 23:46:01

    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 08:27 pm

    with ai you could be getting plagarized information, and in some cases perhaps It would violate the licensing of the old product or yours.

    With human co-contributors you can get plagarized information too. Just assume AI is going to be used more often than not. And if AI isn't being used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.

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  • From Hisacro@VERT/X4D2ORG to All on Monday, July 06, 2026 14:47:44
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 14:37:37

    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2026 23:46:01

    And if AI isn't being
    used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.

    I totally disagree to this statement. My research group goes out of the way to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.

    And mind you, this package is in the booming field of computational chemistry and most of these are run exclusively on HPCs all over the world.

    P.s: I was so taken by reading that statement, I accidently replied without my thoughts, sorry for the previous message.

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  • From Hisacro@VERT/X4D2ORG to All on Monday, July 06, 2026 15:00:54
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 14:47:44

    to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.
    And mind you, this package is in the booming field of computational

    Now if you are thinking that's just one case, you are totally wrong!

    The sentiment is same among many fields, I have also personally interacted with the developer of JuliaDynamics.jl and we share the similar sentiment of AI usage and no where it's used in the development.

    Now if you look what that Julia package is, it's the leading Non-linear dynamics computing suite among all the languages.

    We people out are fighting the ethical battle, and someone just randomly throws that "unless AI used, package is not serious".

    Ignorance is definitely a BLISS!

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  • From Hisacro@VERT/X4D2ORG to Digital Man on Monday, July 06, 2026 23:07:18
    Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Digital Man to fusion on Mon Jul 06 2026 16:12:36

    Nope, just a professional using the available tools to get the best job done, as is expected of me.

    I have given enough examples of the people take in the "professional" settings that has usage to the real world.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Digital Man on Tuesday, July 07, 2026 08:44:47
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Digital Man to Hisacro on Mon Jul 06 2026 11:03 pm

    By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 03:00 pm

    We people out are fighting the ethical battle, and someone just randomly throws that "unless AI used, package is not serious".

    Ignorance is definitely a BLISS!

    You're welcome to your opinion, but it's no more informed than mine, I assure you. In the professional software development world, agentic development is here and it's only increasing in adoption and impact.

    There is a bit of everything.

    A friend of mine works on life-critical software and the customer is paying extra in order to ensure no AI is used for code that runs in the final product. They allow for AI generation for unit tests, I think.

    Then other friends of mine are getting harased because they are not consuming enough AI tokens despite the fact all the work is getting delivered within the deadlines. And they actually use a good bunch of AI.


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  • From Hisacro@VERT/X4D2ORG to Digital Man on Tuesday, July 07, 2026 05:13:42
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Digital Man to Hisacro on Mon Jul 06 2026 23:03:44

    assure you. In the professional software development world, agentic development is here and it's only increasing in adoption and impact.

    I'm not denying the development, your earlier statement was the problem!

    It's saying since X is out there, people using Y are not serious.

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  • From Hebrix@VERT/JJAMBBS to Digital Man on Tuesday, July 07, 2026 13:18:17
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Sun Jul 05 2026 02:39 pm

    I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed.

    If p^H I posted an AI generated paintaing and said "Here's my painting, what do you think?" It would be kind of deceptio^H ^Hve or delusional. IT's not my painting. IT's the AI's painting.

    If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO's OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for you.

    So I thin kthere is a big difference between using a computer that you have to master to get something done, and having an AI one-shit^H^H--erm--ot it for you, then taking credit and money for it.

    This is why honesty, and not a disclaim ^Her is important.

    It also makes sense as a developer using AI to note where I^HAI was used, so that one can return to it for whatever purpose--auditing, rewriting, e^H whatever.

    -Hx

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  • From Hebrix@VERT/JJAMBBS to Digital Man on Tuesday, July 07, 2026 13:20:31
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2026 11:46 pm

    assume AI is going to be used more often than not. And if AI isn't being used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.

    Respectuflly dissagree. This is like saying a person isn't serious unless they have a Facebook page. Lots of credibly ^H^He people will code things themselves.

    -Hx

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Hebrix on Tuesday, July 07, 2026 12:40:55
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm

    If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO' OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for y

    "Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI write bits here and there that you incorporate into the final product. Does that still make it the AI's OS?

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  • From Hisacro@VERT/X4D2ORG to Arelor on Tuesday, July 07, 2026 09:02:52
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Arelor to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 08:44:47

    A friend of mine works on life-critical software and the customer is paying

    This is a very good example!

    Then other friends of mine are getting harased because they are not consuming enough AI tokens despite the fact all the work is getting

    Funny enough, yesterday my friend was saying he ran out of weekly tokens and going home early since it will only weekly renew on Wednesday.

    All I can do is eyeball him.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to phigan on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 04:33:00
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm

    If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO'
    OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for y

    "Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI write
    bits here and there that you incorporate into the final product. Does that still make it the AI's OS?


    It can be good for checking scripts, config files, etc., for errors.


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  • From Outlaw@VERT/OUTWEST to Hebrix on Tuesday, July 07, 2026 23:02:46
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm

    I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going
    to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a
    computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet,

    If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO's OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for you.

    So I thin kthere is a big difference between using a computer that you have to master to get something done, and having an AI one-shit^H^H--erm--ot it for you, then taking credit and money for it.

    You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's not a living organic being, maybe you indulge a bit to much in SciFi movies?
    Nothing wrong with SciFi unless you believe it's 100% real.
    as Spock would say "it's not logical".

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  • From Hisacro@VERT/X4D2ORG to Outlaw on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 02:27:08
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Outlaw to Hebrix on Tue Jul 07 2026 23:02:46

    You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's not a living organic being, maybe you indulge a bit to much in SciFi movies?

    I don't see it that, maybe can you please mind enlightening us how they are talking it as human?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to fusion on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 09:08:25
    Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Digital Man to fusion on Mon Jul 06 2026 04:12 pm

    ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?

    In the realm of software development (and I imagine many other realms), yes. At the last 3 firms I've worked, if a software developer ("engineer") wouldn't use AI tools, they were gone.

    My excperience with AI is similar. I'm also work as a sodftware developer, and a lot of companies are pushing for using AI tools to help get things done faster. And in my experience, AI software development tools do help; it's another tool to use for productivity.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hisacro on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 09:12:48
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 02:47 pm

    I totally disagree to this statement. My research group goes out of the way to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.

    Although AI tools are trained with existing data, I still wonder about ethical usage. When using AI tools, you're still creating something new and different. And for software development, even though you can use AI to completely create something ("vibe coding"), I'm not sure that's the most optimal way to use it, as you'd still be spending a lot of time guiding the AI to do things. For now, I feel like a more optimal use may be to use AI tools to help aid some tasks, especially ones that are more difficult. And I think it's always good to check what the AI is producing and modify it as you see fit.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hisacro on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 09:14:57
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 02:47 pm

    I totally disagree to this statement. My research group goes out of the way to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.

    Another thing about the ethical angle: In my experience, companies want their employees to be using AI tools to increase productivity. Time is money, so if you're not using all the tools available to make you as productive as possible (thus, making the employer spend more money via your salary to get a project done), I think that could be seen as not ethical from the company's standpoint.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hebrix on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 09:50:28
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hebrix to MRO on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:12 pm

    What isn't useful, and what is bad, is using AI inseta... instead of one's brain. AI is great for learning programming. But if you use AI to vibe code everything, you don't learn much. And the result isn't trustworthy. Who has audieted the code? Nobody. "AI will audit it". It's a ^H^H^H not good enough imo.

    For software developers, I agree. But for people who aren't software developers (who haven't learned that skill and aren't software developers as their primary job function), I can see vibe coding as a way to help develop things for them.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hebrix on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 09:53:31
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm

    If p^H I posted an AI generated paintaing and said "Here's my painting, what do you think?" It would be kind of deceptio^H ^Hve or delusional. IT's not my painting. IT's the AI's painting.

    If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO's OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for you.

    Software developers already tend to Google things fairly often, and look on sites like stackoverflow.com and others for advice and examples of how to accomplish tasks in software development. I don't think it's really that much different to use an AI tool to help.

    Also, there have already been tool prediction and auto-complete tools for a while, before the AI tools became available. Is that really any different?
    Auto-complete and Googling & such are tools that software developers have already been using for years.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 09:58:25
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Jul 08 2026 08:56 am

    Plagiarism in software engineering isn't much of a concern, because there's only so many ways you can write a function. In the end it's all about how you put those functions together. For decades people have been copy/pasting code snippits off of places like Stackoverflow into their own programs, this isn't much different.

    That's exactly my thought as well. Googling and finding examples has always been a very common practice in software development, because nobody knows everything. I don't think using AI tools is much different in that regard.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Outlaw on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 23:06:00
    So I thin kthere is a big difference between using a computer that you have
    to master to get something done, and having an AI one-shit^H^H--erm--ot it
    for you, then taking credit and money for it.

    You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's not a living organic being, maybe you indulge a bit to much in SciFi movies?
    Nothing wrong with SciFi unless you believe it's 100% real.
    as Spock would say "it's not logical".


    I don't think that is what the OP meant. I somewhat get their point. If you are letting AI code something and then passing it off completely as your own, while you are not stealing it from a human, you are still taking credit for something you didn't do.

    Some people work places that expect them to use AI "or else" to assist or do their coding, so that is a different ballgame.

    I have not really noticed anyone taking 100% credit for something they used AI on. I feel like DM and most others I am aware of have been pretty open about how they are using AI. I have even asked a couple of the BBS developers that I know use AI for advice as to how helpful it was to them.


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  • From Chris Dick@VERT/EOTLBBS to Outlaw on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 21:26:31
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Outlaw to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 20:34:48

    yeah i think AI is here to stay ... unfortunately i think its just a reality that we all have to get used to .
    i mean i use it from time to time to find answers to things quicker when i get stumped ... i dont like admitting it but hey it is a handy tool to have in the pocket !

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, July 08, 2026 19:41:02
    Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Wed Jul 08 2026 11:06 pm

    I have not really noticed anyone taking 100% credit for something they used AI on. I feel like DM and most others I am aware of have been pretty open about how they are using AI. I have even asked a couple of the BBS developers that I know use AI for advice as to how helpful it was to them.

    Yeah, and I don't really see a problem with that. As DM has stated, it's another software developer tool, for helping get work done. And I feel like it's conceptually not much different from Googling, finding examples, etc., which software developers have already been doing for decades.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Nightfox on Thursday, July 09, 2026 11:08:26
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Nightfox to Hebrix on Wed Jul 08 2026 09:50 am

    their primary job function), I can see vibe coding as a way to help develop things for them.

    So far my local model has made me an email gateway for chatting with it (think Deltachat) and a self-hosted push notifications server (like ntfy.sh). It really is great being able to make it pop out random things I think of. I'd never do it myself otherwise.

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  • From Hebrix@VERT/JJAMBBS to phigan on Friday, July 10, 2026 13:40:09
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: phigan to Hebrix on Tue Jul 07 2026 12:40 pm

    "Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI

    As I mentioned before, it depends on how you use it. The issue here is whether there should be a disclaimer. I think there should be because there's a question as to who wrote it and who understands it. And we all know there are projects like this around. And in many cases, the 'coder' confesses that AI wrote it all, but they aren't up front about it. A disclaimer would be useful, as part of being honest. And of course one could elaborate on just what the use of the. A dislcaimer opens a conversations about AI use, and I think that's good.

    -Hx

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  • From Hebrix@VERT/JJAMBBS to Outlaw on Friday, July 10, 2026 13:41:42
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Outlaw to Hebrix on Tue Jul 07 2026 11:02 pm

    You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's

    AI is a tool that will vibe code you an OS. Your vibe code isn't yours. It's the AI's. SciFi has nothing to do with it.

    -Hx

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  • From Hebrix@VERT/JJAMBBS to Nightfox on Friday, July 10, 2026 13:45:14
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Nightfox to Hebrix on Wed Jul 08 2026 09:50 am

    What isn't useful, and what is bad, is using AI inseta... instead of one's brain. AI is great for learning programming. But if you use AI to

    For software developers, I agree. But for people who aren't software developers (who haven't learned that skill and aren't software developers as their primary job function), I can see vibe coding as a way to help develop things for them.

    As a non-developer who uses AI extensively for coding and advice, I think vibe coding is not good for learning how to program. But vibe coding is good for prototyping, getting something that works, a proof of concept. That much is true.

    -Hx

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  • From Hebrix@VERT/JJAMBBS to Nightfox on Friday, July 10, 2026 13:46:27
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Nightfox to Hebrix on Wed Jul 08 2026 09:53 am

    Software developers already tend to Google things fairly often, and look on sites like stackoverflow.com and others for advice and examples of how to accomplish tasks in software development. I don't think it's really that much different to use an AI tool to help.

    Sorry, but it's completely different. As someone who has spent considerable time on SO and using AI, there's no comparison. AI is a coding companion. Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.

    But if you say so.

    -Hx

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hebrix on Friday, July 10, 2026 13:49:21
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hebrix to Nightfox on Fri Jul 10 2026 01:46 pm

    Software developers already tend to Google things fairly often, and look on
    sites like stackoverflow.com and others for advice and examples of how to
    accomplish tasks in software development. I don't think it's really that
    much different to use an AI tool to help.

    Sorry, but it's completely different. As someone who has spent considerable time on SO and using AI, there's no comparison. AI is a coding companion. Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.

    I'm not necessarily talking about vibe coding a whole app. What I meant is, using an AI coding tool makes it easier to do what software developers have already been doing: Searching for answers & examples online for how to develop & code something and applying that to their solution. An AI development tool can come up with something you ask for and apply it directly to your code/project.

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  • From Outlaw@VERT/OUTWEST to Hebrix on Friday, July 10, 2026 22:44:20
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hebrix to Outlaw on Fri Jul 10 2026 01:41 pm

    You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's

    AI is a tool that will vibe code you an OS. Your vibe code isn't yours. It's the AI's. SciFi has nothing to do with it.

    Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code, or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write the code, but it does not belong to AI.
    Some people are acting as though AI is an entity.
    Nuff said.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Saturday, July 11, 2026 21:23:00
    Sorry, but it's completely different. As someone who has spent considerable time on SO and using AI, there's no comparison. AI is a coding companion. Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.

    I'm not necessarily talking about vibe coding a whole app. What I meant is, using an AI coding tool makes it easier to do what software developers have already been doing: Searching for answers & examples online for how to develop & code something and applying that to their solution. An AI development tool can come up with something you ask for and apply it directly to your code/project.


    In past, I didn't use SO as much as a couple of mainframe-oriented forums. It was usually to find an example of something I wanted to try (most likely with SYNCSORT but, on rare occasions, in COBOL itself) and to get ideas on whether or not it what I wanted to try was even possible. So I was using it for examples to get ideas to code something myself.

    Any time more recently I have tried to google examples for linux script or coding assistance, and wind up getting AI answers (Gemini or Claude), it wants to do it for you. Unless you realize it is broken and make a fix of your own, AI is going to create the actual working code piece that you are trying to get ideas for.

    Using forums like SO, reading TFM, or doing other research for similar examples is very different than getting a working example from AI.

    Autocomplete, as you mentioned previously, is closer for sure. I never had autocomplete on the mainframe, but I found it so incredibly annoying in 'code' that I disabled it. It is much more AI-ish than anything I tried to use previously.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Outlaw on Saturday, July 11, 2026 21:28:00

    Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code, or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write the code, but it does not belong to AI.
    Some people are acting as though AI is an entity.
    Nuff said.


    No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details on how this can cause trouble.



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  • From Outlaw@VERT/OUTWEST to Dumas Walker on Saturday, July 11, 2026 11:25:47
    Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Sat Jul 11 2026 09:28 pm

    Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code,
    or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not
    belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write
    the code, but it does not belong to AI.

    No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details on how this can cause trouble.

    No, not missing the point, I even quoted the example in an earlier post.
    The people that are saying code made with the help of AI belongs to AI.


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  • From Cru Jones@VERT to phigan on Saturday, July 11, 2026 22:06:29
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: phigan to Hebrix on Tue Jul 07 2026 12:40 pm

    "Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI write bits here and there that you incorporate into the final product. Does that still make it the AI's OS?

    yeah.. like for maths, cause math class sucked.
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  • From Cru Jones@VERT to Hebrix on Saturday, July 11, 2026 22:19:31
    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Hebrix to Nightfox on Fri Jul 10 2026 01:46 pm

    Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.

    what kind of newspeak is this vibe word you all keep using, i like the old meaning more, even if i dont 'vibe' to greatly.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Outlaw on Sunday, July 12, 2026 01:50:00
    @VIA: OUTWEST
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    Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Sat Jul 11 2026 09:28 pm

    Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code,
    or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not
    belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write
    the code, but it does not belong to AI.

    No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even
    sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe
    cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details
    on how this can cause trouble.

    No, not missing the point, I even quoted the example in an earlier post. The people that are saying code made with the help of AI belongs to AI.


    Except that the last two people you responded this way to were not making that point.

    The point they were making is the same one I made above.

    If you see someone making the point you are responding to... that AI is "human"... then please be sure you are replying to them. ;)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sunday, July 12, 2026 09:25:25
    Nightfox wrote to Hisacro <=-

    Although AI tools are trained with existing data, I still wonder about ethical usage.

    Just think if we had effective copyright law - all of the web 2.0
    companies that monetized user content would have had to figure a way to
    monetize the platform for content creators!

    Similarly, AI companies seem to take pride in scraping any and all
    content on the web to train their LLMS, then charge for the privelige
    of accessing that data through their LLM.

    They've even claimed that copyright hurts their business model!


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sunday, July 12, 2026 09:25:25
    Nightfox wrote to Hisacro <=-

    Another thing about the ethical angle: In my experience, companies want their employees to be using AI tools to increase productivity. Time is money, so if you're not using all the tools available to make you as productive as possible (thus, making the employer spend more money via your salary to get a project done), I think that could be seen as not ethical from the company's standpoint.

    Then, they blow through their annual AI budget in 4 months. I'm trying
    to get my company to realize they can do a ton with CoPilot chat, which
    we get for free with Microsoft 365. Copilot Pro is only really useful
    if you use it inside of your Office apps - and if that's not worth
    $360/year in your use case, you don't need it.

    For most people who want a search engine that hallucinates, free is
    fine.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Chris Dick on Sunday, July 12, 2026 09:25:25
    Chris Dick wrote to Outlaw <=-

    Re: ai shit from bbs people.
    By: Outlaw to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 20:34:48

    yeah i think AI is here to stay ... unfortunately i think its just a reality that we all have to get used to .

    It's going to burn down the financial markets. The markets are propped
    up by the same handful of companies buying GPUs and services from each
    other with crazy valuations.

    SpaceX, which absorbed Musk's personal X debt and xAI's money
    hemorraging operation and is now fast-tracked into the NASDDAQ 100 (in
    contravention of their own rules) is now forcing its debt onto the ATFs
    and retirement index funds. xAI can continue it's cash-negative
    operations subsidized by those same portfolios and SpaceX's spacecraft
    subsidies from the government.

    Billionaires profit, ordinary people lose money, and the government
    continues to finance Musk.



    i mean i use it from time to
    time to find answers to things quicker when i get stumped ... i dont
    like admitting it but hey it is a handy tool to have in the pocket !

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