There seems to be a LOT of bbs people using ai to make things. And
they don't give credit to AI. Just by the interfaces and graphics I
can tell it's AI.
I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed.
I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying
"I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used
the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed. --
On 05 Jul 2026, Digital Man said the following...
I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed. --
ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?
you're full of bad takes regarding AI. did you get in on some nvidia/amd/etc stock early?
Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 08:27 pm
with ai you could be getting plagarized information, and in some cases perhaps It would violate the licensing of the old product or yours.
With human co-contributors you can get plagarized information too. Just assume AI is going to be used more often than not. And if AI isn't being used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.
Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2026 23:46:01
And if AI isn't being
used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.
to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.
And mind you, this package is in the booming field of computational
Nope, just a professional using the available tools to get the best job done, as is expected of me.
By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 03:00 pm
We people out are fighting the ethical battle, and someone just randomly throws that "unless AI used, package is not serious".
Ignorance is definitely a BLISS!
You're welcome to your opinion, but it's no more informed than mine, I assure you. In the professional software development world, agentic development is here and it's only increasing in adoption and impact.
assure you. In the professional software development world, agentic development is here and it's only increasing in adoption and impact.
I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed.
assume AI is going to be used more often than not. And if AI isn't being used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.
If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO' OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for y
A friend of mine works on life-critical software and the customer is paying
Then other friends of mine are getting harased because they are not consuming enough AI tokens despite the fact all the work is getting
Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm
If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO'
OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for y
"Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI write
bits here and there that you incorporate into the final product. Does that still make it the AI's OS?
I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going
to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a
computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet,
If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO's OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for you.
So I thin kthere is a big difference between using a computer that you have to master to get something done, and having an AI one-shit^H^H--erm--ot it for you, then taking credit and money for it.
You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's not a living organic being, maybe you indulge a bit to much in SciFi movies?
ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?
In the realm of software development (and I imagine many other realms), yes. At the last 3 firms I've worked, if a software developer ("engineer") wouldn't use AI tools, they were gone.
I totally disagree to this statement. My research group goes out of the way to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.
I totally disagree to this statement. My research group goes out of the way to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.
What isn't useful, and what is bad, is using AI inseta... instead of one's brain. AI is great for learning programming. But if you use AI to vibe code everything, you don't learn much. And the result isn't trustworthy. Who has audieted the code? Nobody. "AI will audit it". It's a ^H^H^H not good enough imo.
If p^H I posted an AI generated paintaing and said "Here's my painting, what do you think?" It would be kind of deceptio^H ^Hve or delusional. IT's not my painting. IT's the AI's painting.
If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO's OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for you.
Plagiarism in software engineering isn't much of a concern, because there's only so many ways you can write a function. In the end it's all about how you put those functions together. For decades people have been copy/pasting code snippits off of places like Stackoverflow into their own programs, this isn't much different.
So I thin kthere is a big difference between using a computer that you have
to master to get something done, and having an AI one-shit^H^H--erm--ot it
for you, then taking credit and money for it.
You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's not a living organic being, maybe you indulge a bit to much in SciFi movies?
Nothing wrong with SciFi unless you believe it's 100% real.
as Spock would say "it's not logical".
I have not really noticed anyone taking 100% credit for something they used AI on. I feel like DM and most others I am aware of have been pretty open about how they are using AI. I have even asked a couple of the BBS developers that I know use AI for advice as to how helpful it was to them.
their primary job function), I can see vibe coding as a way to help develop things for them.
"Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI
You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's
What isn't useful, and what is bad, is using AI inseta... instead of one's brain. AI is great for learning programming. But if you use AI to
For software developers, I agree. But for people who aren't software developers (who haven't learned that skill and aren't software developers as their primary job function), I can see vibe coding as a way to help develop things for them.
Software developers already tend to Google things fairly often, and look on sites like stackoverflow.com and others for advice and examples of how to accomplish tasks in software development. I don't think it's really that much different to use an AI tool to help.
Software developers already tend to Google things fairly often, and look on
sites like stackoverflow.com and others for advice and examples of how to
accomplish tasks in software development. I don't think it's really that
much different to use an AI tool to help.
Sorry, but it's completely different. As someone who has spent considerable time on SO and using AI, there's no comparison. AI is a coding companion. Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.
You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's
AI is a tool that will vibe code you an OS. Your vibe code isn't yours. It's the AI's. SciFi has nothing to do with it.
Sorry, but it's completely different. As someone who has spent considerable time on SO and using AI, there's no comparison. AI is a coding companion. Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.
I'm not necessarily talking about vibe coding a whole app. What I meant is, using an AI coding tool makes it easier to do what software developers have already been doing: Searching for answers & examples online for how to develop & code something and applying that to their solution. An AI development tool can come up with something you ask for and apply it directly to your code/project.
Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code, or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write the code, but it does not belong to AI.
Some people are acting as though AI is an entity.
Nuff said.
Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code,
or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not
belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write
the code, but it does not belong to AI.
No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details on how this can cause trouble.
"Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI write bits here and there that you incorporate into the final product. Does that still make it the AI's OS?
Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.
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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Sat Jul 11 2026 09:28 pm
Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code,
or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not
belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write
the code, but it does not belong to AI.
No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even
sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe
cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details
on how this can cause trouble.
No, not missing the point, I even quoted the example in an earlier post. The people that are saying code made with the help of AI belongs to AI.
Nightfox wrote to Hisacro <=-
Although AI tools are trained with existing data, I still wonder about ethical usage.
Nightfox wrote to Hisacro <=-
Another thing about the ethical angle: In my experience, companies want their employees to be using AI tools to increase productivity. Time is money, so if you're not using all the tools available to make you as productive as possible (thus, making the employer spend more money via your salary to get a project done), I think that could be seen as not ethical from the company's standpoint.
Chris Dick wrote to Outlaw <=-
Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Outlaw to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 20:34:48
yeah i think AI is here to stay ... unfortunately i think its just a reality that we all have to get used to .
time to find answers to things quicker when i get stumped ... i dont
like admitting it but hey it is a handy tool to have in the pocket !
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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 08:27 pm
I think there should be a disclaimer if you have a co-contributer. I don't Think AI should be considered just a tool.
These days, AI is also used for features like IntelliCode in Microsoft Visua > prediction like that feels like a tool to me..
Although AI tools are trained with existing data, I
still wonder about ethical usage.
When using AI tools,
you're still creating something new and different.
I feel like a more optimal use may be to use AI tools
to help aid some tasks, especially ones that are more
difficult.
Instead of making robots the new slaves, doing the dirty
and thankless work for their masters, people oursource
to AI the most creating, interesting, and difficult
work -- exactly the sort of work that elevates Man.
This is a dangerous inversion of the roles.
it never seems to work out that way. AI hasn't delivered the promised leisur time. It's only delivered more work faster.
This is always what's promised to us by the inventors of these tools and, yet, it never seems to work out that way. AI hasn't delivered the promised leisure time. It's only delivered more work faster.
Instead of making robots the new slaves, doing the
dirty and thankless work for their masters, people
oursource to AI the most creating, interesting, and
difficult work -- exactly the sort of work that
elevates Man. This is a dangerous inversion of the
roles.
This is always what's promised to us by the inventors
of these tools and, yet, it never seems to work out
that way. AI hasn't delivered the promised leisure
time. It's only delivered more work faster.
ant wrote to Nightfox <=-
Instead of making robots the new slaves, doing the dirty
and thankless work for their masters, people oursource
to AI the most creating, interesting, and difficult
work -- exactly the sort of work that elevates Man.
This is a dangerous inversion of the roles.
Yeah, let the robots do the creating so we can perform menial tasks. My
conspiracy side sees those in power wanting the electorate to be
limited, marginalized, uneducated... What happens if people have time
to learn and grow on their own?
No, it is the Artificial Idiot that is creating for you,
at your request. This is similar to a rich and unskilled
person commissioning an artist to execute his portrait.
I was less inclined to believe this until I got drunk the other night and decided to see howYeah, let the robots do the creating so we can perform menial tasks. MyBingo. You hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what the oligarchs want -- uneducated, marginalized and
conspiracy side sees those in power wanting the electorate to be
limited, marginalized, uneducated... What happens if people have time
to learn and grow on their own?
limited. Musk and his cronies get their jollies just thinking of a worl like that.
I was less inclined to believe this until I got drunk the other night and decided to see how
AI would have solved a problem at work. The problem involved interpretting multiple electronic schematics
and performing "gate-crashing" for a TTL circuit that was marginally complex. Sure enough, after reviewing
the schematic, the AI produced what frankly was complete gibberish
I do this kind of agentic engineering at work every week (using Claude Code, not drunk) and while it can struggleI'm sure there's a way to engineer the prompts to make it more efficient, but if I can see the problem and solution
with interpretting schematics and layout files, it's not hopeless and in the end can save tons of time. It's not
without its frustrations and humorous detours, but I find it much faster than most humans and correct just about as
often. Using AI agents effectively is a skill you'd likely benefit from having, but it does take practice, like any
other.
Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.Yeah but do you realize that i don't give a fuck? I really do not.
By: MRO to Dmxrob on Wed Oct 14 2026 10:07 pm
Have you ever read what you wrote dude.
You might wanna do that.
You ever realized that nobody cares what you think? Might want to do that.
AI would have solved a problem at work. The problem involved interpretting multiple electronic schematics
and performing "gate-crashing" for a TTL circuit that was marginally complex. > Sure enough, after reviewing
the schematic, the AI produced what frankly was complete gibberish -- mixing signal names, what inputs go to what
gates, but was completely authoritative. I asked it to try again two times,
Instead of making robots the new slaves, doing the dirty
and thankless work for their masters, people oursource
to AI the most creating, interesting, and difficult
work -- exactly the sort of work that elevates Man.
This is a dangerous inversion of the roles.
This is always what's promised to us by the inventors of these tools and, ye it never seems to work out that way. AI hasn't delivered the promised leisur time. It's only delivered more work faster.
MRO wrote to Bryn <=-
you shouldn't be uploading work related items to ai. i hope you are
using your Work's AI and not a public one.
Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Dustman to ant on Tue Oct 13 2026 01:33 pm
Instead of making robots the new slaves, doing the dirty
and thankless work for their masters, people oursource
to AI the most creating, interesting, and difficult
work -- exactly the sort of work that elevates Man.
This is a dangerous inversion of the roles.
This is always what's promised to us by the inventors of these tools and, ye it never seems to work out that way. AI hasn't delivered the promised leisur time. It's only delivered more work faster.
The System I'm sure is designed to keep us busy and dependent. It is designed to ensure our free time is taken up. The default is to find work for us to do.
MRO wrote to Bryn <=-
you shouldn't be uploading work related items to ai. i hope you are using your Work's AI and not a public one.
The fun is using the public model's and letting them take your work.
My company is all in on m$ so we get co-pilot but all the managers
complained because the news told them chatgpt is better, so now when
we go to any AI home page it says "Stop - Co-pilot is included, continue anyway?" and they all do!
It's just gonna put me out of work as it can complete the schedule in
about 15 mins with a few questions where it took me 2 days. Mistakes? Honestly... about on par with the ones I (or any human) would make when dealing with 75 vehicles, 180 drivers, 24/7 schedules and constant break- downs.
I still believe AI is a tool and used right it will make life easier, but
I don't think it should be used for everything.
Re-reading this it's in the wrong area now but whatever.
BTW - writing this in a paperclip II clone I had Claude whip up last night
in 25 minutes. LOL All keystrokes just the way my fingers remember them! ;) >
my brain until AI can do it without
much optimization. I can see the benefit if they were extremely complex circuits, but what the above average has
granted me -- seems like it still has a ways to go before I would trust it without doing nearly as much work to
verify what it's giving me. Having access to it now in the state that it's in, and knowing how it's been advertised
to me (by more than the mass media and the companies themselves mind you), my > alarm bells have started ringing as to
what the goal of me using it actually is.
Dmxrob wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: poindexter FORTRAN to ant on Wed Oct 14 2026 07:39 am
Yeah, let the robots do the creating so we can perform menial tasks. My
conspiracy side sees those in power wanting the electorate to be
limited, marginalized, uneducated... What happens if people have time
to learn and grow on their own?
Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what the
oligarchs want -- uneducated, marginalized and limited. Musk and his cronies get their jollies just thinking of a worl like that.
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