shitty wrote to MRO <=-

The stock Synch boards (aka all of them) have a feature where you can
make your menus and hotkeys similar to a stock Renegade board, which
makes the experience ok until you enter the message reader or the
message editor. That's where the buzz is killed completely.

There's SlyEdit and DDMsgReader, which give you a decent editor and
threadable message lister/reader - that makes a nice bump and both come
with Synchronet in the XTRN directory.

I'm running the Renegade menus, with some ANSIs and color
customization. Not sure that the stock message experience is a
buzzkill, but I like the old school look of stock. Then again, I do
most of my messaging through QWK, which is does well - I can FTP
packets and replies to/from the BBS.




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Re: Re: C Origins
By: poindexter FORTRAN to shitty on Thu May 21 2026 08:04 am

There's SlyEdit and DDMsgReader, which give you a decent editor and threadable message lister/reader - that makes a nice bump and both come with Synchronet in the XTRN directory.

DDMsgReader is in the xtrn directory, but SlyEdit is in the exec directory.

Nightfox

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I'm running the Renegade menus, with some ANSIs and color
customization. Not sure that the stock message experience is a
buzzkill, but I like the old school look of stock. Then again, I do
most of my messaging through QWK, which is does well - I can FTP
packets and replies to/from the BBS.

Are you using BlueWave?

That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch boards.

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Shitty wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Are you using BlueWave?

That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch
boards.

I'm using MultiMail. I was a longtime BlueWave user, but after Y2K
started using Multimail instead. It looks/feels like BlueWave did, but
there are DOS, Windows, OS/2, Linux and Mac versions. Only does QWK
format packets, but I don't think anyone's running a BW door these days.

Like BlueWave, you can install whatever text editor you'd like to
create/reply to messages.

https://github.com/wmcbrine/MultiMail





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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to MRO on Fri May 22 2026 12:14 am

I visit Shenk's Express (a synch board) sometimes. I don't know which message editor it has, but it's a pain in the ass. Ctrl-U to quote, Ctrl-Z to save. It's just hard to remember.

I just checked that BBS out - They have FSEditor and SlyEdit set up. With SlyEdit, as alternates for those quote & save keys, you can quote by typing /q on a blank line by itself & pressing enter and similarly, save with /s .

Nightfox

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That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch boards.

I'm using MultiMail. I was a longtime BlueWave user, but after Y2K
started using Multimail instead. It looks/feels like BlueWave did, but there are DOS, Windows, OS/2, Linux and Mac versions. Only does QWK
format packets, but I don't think anyone's running a BW door these days.

False statement! MultiMail is what I use to read Bluewave packets. :D

It can handle either.


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Are you using BlueWave?

That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch boards.

I'm using MultiMail. I was a longtime BlueWave user, but after Y2K
started using Multimail instead. It looks/feels like BlueWave did, but there are DOS, Windows, OS/2, Linux and Mac versions. Only does QWK
format packets, but I don't think anyone's running a BW door these days.

Like BlueWave, you can install whatever text editor you'd like to create/reply to messages.

https://github.com/wmcbrine/MultiMail

Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
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I visit Shenk's Express (a synch board) sometimes. I don't know which message editor it has, but it's a pain in the ass. Ctrl-U to quote, C to save. It's just hard to remember.

I just checked that BBS out - They have FSEditor and SlyEdit set up.
With SlyEdit, as alternates for those quote & save keys, you can quote
by typing /q on a blank line by itself & pressing enter and similarly, save with /s .

My bad! I was overcomplicating it.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC

Mike Powell wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

False statement! MultiMail is what I use to read Bluewave packets. :D

It can handle either.

I did not know that! I liked the BW format more than QWK, wish more
boards supported it.



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Shitty wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out on
BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that
shouldn't be a thing these days?)

Not when you can send up 6-10 telnet nodes on a low-end box...



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Digital Man wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I did not know that! I liked the BW format more than QWK, wish more
boards supported it.

I looked into BlueWave kind of recently and I can tell you: it's file format actually kind of sucks - I would have added support otherwise.
QWK with the Synchronet extensions (mainly HEADERS.DAT file) are way better than BW. --

Truth be told, it's been years since I compared the two, and it was
vanilla QWK versus BlueWave on Maximus. The truncated subject lines
were my biggest gripe with QWK.



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if you hit ctrl p you can get little telegram popup that that might stop you from timing out.

Yeah or maybe wake the fuck up and pay attention.

BBSs need to allow people time to piss.

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On 25 May 2026, Shitty said the following...

Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

events have to run and people can't hang online all day.

Like what though? Updates that require reboot?

at least for old BBSes, they might wait until the nodes are empty to do some tasks..

for example, what happens when you import a bunch of messages and delete a bunch of messages (say, to keep below a sysop-chosen 1000 message threshold) while a person is currently reading messages might be undefined.

some bbses needed an empty node because every node was on a separate machine that couldn't multitask.. the maintenance needed to run somewhere. while the machine they run on can multitask easily they're still programmed that way..

yes this is all outdated. the concept of nodes, time limits, ratios, etc. all seem archaic to me.

for example: "why does a user need to idle on my bbs all day?"

why not?

people think of a connection like a string.. the bbs holding one end and the user holding the other. like it's a physical thing.

it's more like me handing someone a slip of paper and saying "we're connected" and then walking away for a few hours and coming back and saying "do you still have that slip of paper? i'd like to write some more on it"

or put another way, the BBS could remember there's a connection, the user remembers they're connected. but your cable modem doesn't. every router
between the two doesn't. there's nothing there, nor does anything have to be sent or received.

so what we're left with is how much does it cost to 'remember' this connection is active (Linux)?

~2-8KB..

so between 2048 and 8192 potentially active connected nodes idling..

per 16MB of ram -_-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
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yeah there's like 2 web interfaces with synchronet that allow you view and post msgs or send email. other people are doing cooler s

Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked whe Janis Kracht had a web interface for Prizm BBS (BBBS). The message base system worked great on the web.

Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC

Truth be told, it's been years since I compared the two, and it was
vanilla QWK versus BlueWave on Maximus. The truncated subject lines
were my biggest gripe with QWK.

Same.

Mike

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Shitty wrote to Digital Man <=-

yeah there's like 2 web interfaces with synchronet that allow you view and post msgs or send email. other people are doing cooler s

Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked whe Janis Kracht had a web interface for Prizm BBS (BBBS). The message base system worked great on the web.

Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

Are you just waking up out of a coma, or something?



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Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

Yes, of course, but they usually need to authenticate first.

Cool. I see the "post a new message" button and now I also see the "reply" button.

That's excellent.

So if I jump into sysoping a Synch board, and I set up the web interface, is it all customizable via CSS?

What kind of files does the web interface consist of? Customizable JS files?

Is there an option to set "last read" aka "message pointer date" in Synchronet? (An RG type of feature that lets users set a date for messages to be considered "new" so they don't have to scroll through ancient messages.)

If so, can that feature be utilized via the web interface?

Great job dude. I'm glad that you have a free alternative to the crap that B-BBS tries to charge people $100 for.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
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Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

Are you just waking up out of a coma, or something?

I had no idea that Synchronet was this viable. I was into Mystic for the longest time because of it's likeness to Telegard, and I hated the stock Synchronet boards, but I'm more interested in a good web integration than anything else so I might become a Synchronet sysop in the near future.

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Shitty wrote to Gamgee <=-

Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

Are you just waking up out of a coma, or something?

I had no idea that Synchronet was this viable. I was into Mystic for
the longest time because of it's likeness to Telegard, and I hated the stock Synchronet boards, but I'm more interested in a good web
integration than anything else so I might become a Synchronet sysop in
the near future.

That would be a wise move. Mystic is stale, closed-source, basically abandoned, and quite limited compared to Synchronet. Upgrades are
always good. :-)

P.S. - There are many other built-in features to Synchronet that you may
not be aware of. Here's a good place to start:

https://wiki.synchro.net/




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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to Gamgee on Tue May 26 2026 01:04 am

I had no idea that Synchronet was this viable. I was into Mystic for the longest time because of it's likeness to Telegard, and I hated the stock Synchronet boards,

There are a good number of well-customized Synchronet BBSes too. I wouldn't judge Synchronet on sysops who leave their BBS stock.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Nightfox to Shitty on Tue May 26 2026 09:47 am

I had no idea that Synchronet was this viable. I was into Mystic for the
longest time because of it's likeness to Telegard, and I hated the stock
Synchronet boards,

There are a good number of well-customized Synchronet BBSes too. I wouldn't judge Synchronet on sysops who leave their BBS stock.

Many of us create a BBS as a hobby, and partly to reclaim a little of our glory days running a BBS in the 80's and 90's.
I did make my own menu's several years back, when I upgraded synchronet I decided to just leave the stock menus for now.

Denn

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 24 2026 00:46:00

It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

I would tend to agree, however, for boards that still use dial-up and Net protocals, it may not be possible to segragate the two.

You could contact your Sysop and see if he/she could extend your time. Worked for me.

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Digital Man to Shitty on Mon May 25 2026 14:32:07

Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

Nice. Is the top frame line suppose to go through the board name?

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Mortar to Shitty on Tue May 26 2026 01:56 pm

Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 24 2026 00:46:00

It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't
it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

There are still a limited number of nodes available on a BBS. If users logged on and left it idle, it would be possible that eventually, all the nodes could be tied up due to that and another user would be unable to log in. That might be unlikely these days though, especially if you have many nodes configured for your BBS.

Aside from a human user though, it's actually fairly frequent to have bots connecting to your nodes on telnet, and without that timeout, they'd probably just sit there and leave the node occupied. Without the inactivity timeout, it could be very well likely that bots could log in and tie up all your nodes, preventing users from being able to log in.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 24 2026 12:46 am

Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

I think an inactivity timeout is still very important these days. These days, it's fairly common for bots to connect to a BBS via telnet, and without an inactivity timeout, they could just sit there and tie up the node. It would be likely that bots could connect to all nodes on your BBS and tie them up so that users would be unable to log in. The inactivity timeout helps prevent that.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Mortar to Digital Man on Tue May 26 2026 02:08 pm

Re: Re: C Origins
By: Digital Man to Shitty on Mon May 25 2026 14:32:07

Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

Nice. Is the top frame line suppose to go through the board name?

No, I'm sure it's something I did wrong.
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I think an inactivity timeout is still very important these days. These days, it's fairly common for bots to connect to a BBS via telnet, and without an inactivity timeout, they could just sit there and tie up the node. It would be likely that bots could connect to all nodes on your
BBS and tie them up so that users would be unable to log in. The inactivity timeout helps prevent that.

That makes sense, but it sounds like a BBS software shortfall. They shouldn't tie up a node until the user is authenticated. Wouldn't that fix it?

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to Nightfox on Wed May 27 2026 12:46 am

I think an inactivity timeout is still very important these days. These
days, it's fairly common for bots to connect to a BBS via telnet, and
without an inactivity timeout, they could just sit there and tie up the
node. It would be likely that bots could connect to all nodes on your
BBS and tie them up so that users would be unable to log in. The
inactivity timeout helps prevent that.

That makes sense, but it sounds like a BBS software shortfall. They shouldn't tie up a node until the user is authenticated. Wouldn't that fix it?

Why would you want users to tie up a node sitting idle? I'd think an inactivity timeout would/should apply either way. A node is a limited resource; if someone isn't using it, ideally it should be freed up so other people could use it. With authenticated users, you could still potentially run into the same problem of users logging in and tying up all the nodes - though that becomes a lot less likely when you add more nodes to your BBS.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Denn to Nightfox on Tue May 26 2026 22:52:27

...then I have to go in and manually kill the ghost.

Just don't cross the streams.

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Aside from a human user though, it's actually fairly frequent to have bots connecting to your nodes on telnet, and without that timeout, they'd probably
just sit there and leave the node occupied. Without the inactivity timeout, it
could be very well likely that bots could log in and tie up all your nodes, preventing users from being able to log in.

This. If anything, my timeouts are probably set shorter than they were during the dial-up days because of the telnet bots.


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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Denn to Nightfox on Tue May 26 2026 10:52 pm

Besides running the Outwest BBS (Synchronet), I also run the razzpie BBS (Mystic), on Mystic if you leave a node hanging you can ghost the node, even tho you're no loger there Mystic thinks you are, then I have to go in and manually kill the ghost.

What does "ghost the node" mean?

Nightfox

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That makes sense, but it sounds like a BBS software shortfall. They shouldn't tie up a node until the user is authenticated. Wouldn't tha it?

As soon as the node is hit by a request it is tied up until the request either dropped or denied. It's not a software shortfall.

There have to be dozens of ways around that for a person who's creating the BBS software.

If nodes are a must, then a new node should be created as needed for every connection, and there can be a subset for authenticated users, and something like fail2ban can be deployed for handling repeated failed attempts.

Existing BBS softwares without significant modification? Yea, they can't do that.

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to MRO on Wed May 27 2026 03:28 pm

Thanks for that tip. I'm a fan of echicken's shit. I will look for
his web interface. I bet it's cool as fuck.

digitalman gave you a link. did you look at it.

He gave me a link to the Virturauen one. It's cool. Now I wanna see the echicken one.

The link he sent is indeed used on Vertrauen, but it's the web interface that echicken made..

Nightfox

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to Denn on Wed May 27 2026 03:37 pm

There have to be dozens of ways around that for a person who's creating the BBS software.

If nodes are a must, then a new node should be created as needed for every connection, and there can be a subset for authenticated users, and something like fail2ban can be deployed for handling repeated failed attempts.

I wonder how that would work with door games, which often require you to have a different configuration file for each node. Old door games were not designed with dynamic creation of nodes in mind; they all assumed a specific set number of nodes. This made sense, because BBS nodes were typically phone lines, and it was often very difficult to add more, because they would need computer resources (for serial ports) and would require paying money for phone lines and modems.

As far as tying up nodes, there are already solutions to help mitigate that, and I think they work fairly well. And I think the concept would be basically the same with any kind of server, whether it be telnet, web, FTP, etc.. And I feel like dynamically creating more nodes for clients to connect to might actually be a bad solution, because that would mean consuming more computer resources. That could open your system up for a denial of service attack: Attackers could create perhaps thousands of connections to your BBS, which could result in your computer running out of memory, etc. due to having spawned too many threads to handle all the nodes for the incoming connections. In that regard, I think the inactivity timeout is probably the better solution.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Denn to Nightfox on Wed May 27 2026 10:36 pm

What does "ghost the node" mean?

When a user leaves without logging off properly that user is gone but his ghost remains, his name still is on that node until I kick the ghost off manually, It's a weird quirk on mystic.

Ah.. Sounds like a bug.

Nightfox

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Nightfox wrote to Denn <=-

Re: Re: C Origins
By: Denn to Nightfox on Wed May 27 2026 10:36 pm

What does "ghost the node" mean?

When a user leaves without logging off properly that user is gone but his ghost remains, his name still is on that node until I kick the ghost off manually, It's a weird quirk on mystic.

Ah.. Sounds like a bug.

One of many (never-to-be-fixed) bugs in Mystic.




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On 27 May 2026, Nightfox said the following...

I wonder how that would work with door games, which often require you to have a different configuration file for each node. Old door games were not designed with dynamic creation of nodes in mind; they all assumed a specific set number of nodes. This made sense, because BBS nodes were typically phone lines, and it was often very difficult to add more, because they would need computer resources (for serial ports) and would require paying money for phone lines and modems.

a lot of that stuff is done for convenience and isn't 'real'

for example, node 1, com 1, fossil port 1 looks nice but there's no technical reason (i.e. can-be-implemented, not has-been, yet) not to have a setup like:

set all doors to only allow one user, all doors are configured to use com1 or fossil1, all doors work just fine even at the same time. com1/fossil1 exists *in the dos window the door is running in* NOT system-wide

so imagine the bbs operates like a regular telnetd/sshd (unlimited users, or put another way "add a node on connect") all the doors are configured to support the max users they individually can. you have 50 doors..

when you run a door, at that point it picks from a pool of per-door 'nodes', assigns one and runs the door.. all 50 of your doors could be maxed out with 16 players or whatever at the same time.. however unlikely it is you have 800 users on at the same time ;)

heck if the door isn't fussy (isn't multinode, doesn't really do much, maybe like a quote wall or something) you could just have all the nodes use "fossil 1" .. turn a door with a max of 16 or whatever nodes to unlimited

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: fusion to Nightfox on Thu May 28 2026 06:32 pm

a lot of that stuff is done for convenience and isn't 'real'

I don't disagree with that. A lot of the convenience is achieve by following the pattern of legacy BBS systems/software: the path of the least resistence. Doesn't mean it's "the only way".
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Re: Re: C Origins
By: fusion to Nightfox on Thu May 28 2026 06:32 pm

a lot of that stuff is done for convenience and isn't 'real'

for example, node 1, com 1, fossil port 1 looks nice but there's no technical reason (i.e. can-be-implemented, not has-been, yet) not to have a setup like:

set all doors to only allow one user, all doors are configured to use com1 or fossil1, all doors work just fine even at the same time. com1/fossil1 exists *in the dos window the door is running in* NOT system-wide

True. I thought about that, though still, I think dynamically creating more nodes at runtime could introduce a risk of denial-of-service attack.

Also, why set all doors to only allow one user? That would mean that users couldn't play multi-player with each other..

Nightfox

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On 28 May 2026, Digital Man said the following...

Re: Re: C Origins
By: fusion to Nightfox on Thu May 28 2026 06:32 pm

a lot of that stuff is done for convenience and isn't 'real'

I don't disagree with that. A lot of the convenience is achieve by following the pattern of legacy BBS systems/software: the path of the least resistence. Doesn't mean it's "the only way".

how hard would it be to assign the node number before and release it after loading any door game? maybe just hide the old node number all together and put in a connection number instead (for internode stuff, etc)

maybe it's possible to get most of the effect without the mental gymnastics i'm doing ;)

i don't know if everyone would turn it on, but perhaps boards where people idle on MRC might

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On 28 May 2026, Digital Man said the following...

how hard would it be to assign the node number before and release it af loading any door game? maybe just hide the old node number all together put in a connection number instead (for internode stuff, etc)

You mean for Synchronet or in general? Synchronet uses the node number (and node directory) for all kinds of client-session-specific context (door drop files, temp files, session logs, stats) so that'd be a pretty huge change for Synchronet. If you're writing a BBS from scratch, sure, you could likely design it that way.

ah yeah for Synchronet.. not a legit request by any means just curious :)

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something like fail2ban can be deployed for handling repeated failed attempts.

Back in the day multi line BBSes used a ringdown method, callers would call one number and be moved down to a different line, then the next caller would be moved down, I think telnet mimicks the ring down of the old dialup days.

Are "nodes" part of telnet logic or part of the bbs software's logic?

I'm just wondering why we can't make a BBS's telnet server act like a web server (like Debian) so that it becomes independent of this ancient "node" system that BBSs use. I realize that it's not on anyone's to-do list, and like Nightfox mentioned: it wouldn't be a smooth transition for passing the user to a door.

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to Denn/Nightfox on Fri May 29 2026 08:47 am

Are "nodes" part of telnet logic or part of the bbs software's logic?

I'm just wondering why we can't make a BBS's telnet server act like a web server (like Debian) so that it becomes independent of this ancient "node" system that BBSs use. I realize that it's not on anyone's to-do list, and like Nightfox mentioned: it wouldn't be a smooth transition for passing the user to a door.

Most of us prefer the nostalgic feel of the old dial up days.

Denn

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Are "nodes" part of telnet logic or part of the bbs software's logic?

Part of the BBS software logic. There are/were plenty of multi-user/multi-line systems that use/support Telnet connections and
have no concept of a "node". That said, there's still finite consumable resources for each TCP connection (telnet or otherwise), in *any*
system, so there's always some limit somewhere that you can
theoretically, eventually, reach. --

It sounds like the problem is with unauthenticated users consuming resources. Those are the ones who should get timed-out, not me when I'm taking too long pissin ;)

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On my BBS there is a 10 minute time limit, if it takes you more than 10 minutes maybe see a Doctor?
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Good advice. If it takes that long, something is wrong. ;)


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It sounds like the problem is with unauthenticated users consuming resources. Those are the ones who should get timed-out, not me when I'm taking too long pissin ;)

On my BBS there is a 10 minute time limit, if it takes you more than 10 minutes maybe see a Doctor?

My problem is that I want the BBS to act like it's the internet, and understandably most sysops don't want that.

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On my BBS there is a 10 minute time limit, if it takes you more than 10
minutes maybe see a Doctor?

My problem is that I want the BBS to act like it's the internet, and understandably most sysops don't want that.

Didn't you used to run your own BBS? Put one back online and then turn the timeouts off. Problem solved.

BTW, some internet sites do timeout. Others will reset the page if you are inactive for too long.


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My problem is that I want the BBS to act like it's the internet, and understandably most sysops don't want that.

Didn't you used to run your own BBS? Put one back online and then turn the timeouts off. Problem solved.

Good idea.

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My suggestion to all sysops: Focus on making apps for the Google Play Store

Why leave it up to thew sysops? This should be up to the developer of
the bbs software itself to do this, IMHO,

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Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked when

Jan

PRISM<<< you mean? Yeah Janis was all around cool and a really great
long time friend.

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Great job dude. I'm glad that you have a free alternative to the crap that

And here we go back to 90s-style software trashing. :/

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Robert Wolfe wrote to SHITTY <=-

Great job dude. I'm glad that you have a free alternative to the crap that

And here we go back to 90s-style software trashing. :/

You know, if you could be bothered to quote more than ONE SINGLE LINE,
people might be able to understand what you're even talking about.



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Robert Wolfe wrote to SHITTY <=-

Great job dude. I'm glad that you have a free alternative to the crap th

And here we go back to 90s-style software trashing. :/

You know, if you could be bothered to quote more than ONE SINGLE LINE, people might be able to understand what you're even talking about.

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Better? I try to quote only what is necessary. Then again, this isn't
email.
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My suggestion to all sysops: Focus on making apps for the Google Play S

Why leave it up to thew sysops? This should be up to the developer of the bbs software itself to do this, IMHO,

It would be cool if they did that, but app stores like Google Play Store have strict rules about what they refer to as "user generated content" and I don't think it would work out.

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Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked whe

Jan

PRISM<<< you mean? Yeah Janis was all around cool and a really great long time friend.

I liked talking to her. Not about politics though ;)

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Why leave it up to thew sysops? This should be up to the developer of
the bbs software itself to do this, IMHO,

The author of hermes made a client for the mac and ipads.

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Great job dude. I'm glad that you have a free alternative to the crap that

And here we go back to 90s-style software trashing. :/

The good old days of bbs_carnival 30 years ago!

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Shitty to Robert Wolfe on Wed Jun 17 2026 11:09 pm

My suggestion to all sysops: Focus on making apps for the Google Play ->> S

Why leave it up to thew sysops? This should be up to the developer of
the bbs software itself to do this, IMHO,

It would be cool if they did that, but app stores like Google Play Store have strict rules about what they refer to as "user generated content" and I don't think it would work out.

I'd think all apps submitted would be subject to the same guidelines for being allowed in the Google Play store, no matter who makes the app. And what would "user generated content" mean in the context of a mobile app?

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Why leave it up to thew sysops? This should be up to the developer
the bbs software itself to do this, IMHO,

It would be cool if they did that, but app stores like Google Play St have strict rules about what they refer to as "user generated content I don't think it would work out.

I'd think all apps submitted would be subject to the same guidelines for being allowed in the Google Play store, no matter who makes the app.
And what would "user generated content" mean in the context of a mobile app?

They're referring to apps that allow users to post text, images, videos, etc. IOW apps that can facilitate communication.

One of the "strict rules" that I was referring to is they require developers to create a button for users to click to report "abuse." And of course they have their own definition of that word itself.

If a developer is on board with everything that Google is on board with, then they'll have no problems.

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Re: Re: C Origins
By: Digital Man to Shitty on Mon Jun 22 2026 11:02 pm

I think she was using someone else's photo.

Nah, that was her. Everyone was 30 at one time. :-P

Except for MRO, who still appears to be 15.

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I remember one time Janus was a dirty girl and posted a pic of herself in a black nightie on fb.

I looked her up on Facebook a while back and she looked like she was about 30s
but after she passed I found out that she was like 70.

I think she was using someone else's photo.

Or one from when she was younger, or maybe she didn't look as old in a
photo as she really was.


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I looked her up on Facebook a while back and she looked like she was ab 30s, but after she passed I found out that she was like 70.

I think she was using someone else's photo.

Nah, that was her. Everyone was 30 at one time. :-P

That's true. I do the same thing.

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